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No. I think the states should decide how to improve their systems. I can say in my system the money cut is not going where it ought to, so not necessarily helpful or not helpful, it’s beside the point. I don’t think changing the money will help until there’s some real business review that elevates teachers/ classrooms over administrators. Impact on the student should be the most important thing and staff directly working with students should be in a different funding tier than admin staff. All the teachers at a school in my district walked out over our admin not responding to their satisfaction surveys. If anyone is blamed/ fired it’s going to be the principal. If that’s the person accountable, then there’s no reason to have central admin. I’m ranting, but the money cuts won’t help no, neither will more money until someone addresses these structural issues of keeping people on staff that are bloating the system.

LunaStorm42

Dollars spent per child does not equal child success. See Baltimore school district.

Schmitty777

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Increasing funding to schools does not correlate with improved student outcomes. It stands to reason that decreasing funding would not have a negative effect.

In my experience with urban school districts, they are often "top heavy", employing several six-figure salaried administrators in non-educator roles. A lot of these people could be let go with no adverse effect.

mwatwe01

It can be unfrozen late.  Everyone will be fine.

WiebeHall

SuspenderEnder

So many things to unpack here…

Should the federal government be the make/break variable for state and local schools? (I would argue “no”.)

Should school administrators outnumber teachers, instead of vice versa? (I would argue that we need to look at that.)

If property taxes and school budgets go *up* every year, but the increases never seem to make it to the teachers and classrooms, are we *sure* it’s a funding problem, instead of a spending-accountability problem? (I would lean into the latter.)

RationalTidbits

The US spends over 16,000 a year per student in k-12. That’s $320,000 for a class of 20. How is that not enough? I believe the biggest problem with k12 is that a high school diploma doesn’t really mean anything because there is a big push to make sure everyone graduates even if they didn’t learn anything useful. I think it would be good if a high school diploma could carry more weight, but that requires being more selective.

ILoveMcKenna777

Sometimes less is more. There should be more recess, longer summers, more breaks, less homework. The social skills of the millennial generation are abhorrent because our parents obsessed so much over core they wanted us to sit in at a desk for 10 hours a day instead of spending time with friends or bonding with family and building social and emotional skills. That means less work and less pay for teachers and less cost for schools. I want people to be happier and more fulfilled that doesn't translate to better sat scores.

Laniekea

There should be a requirement that questions must be asked using neutral/respectful language.


"Do you believe the recent freezing of federal school funding will be beneficial for our educational system? If so, why?"


It's really not that hard. Also honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

TheCloudForest

I dont agree that it is happening this quickly. It should have started for next year. 

As of right now, it's a freeze and not an actual cut. There is a possibility that if the funds are being used appropriately, they could be released. I did see somewhere they are "studying" what the funds are going towards. 

However, from what I have seen, it looks like the funding freeze isn't for class supplies unless I'm missing something. So, what you are worried about doesn't seem to be a factor here.

Ok_Bus_2038

hackenstuffen

You say you're a 20-year teacher and yet you drop disrespectful snark. Do you behave like that with you students?

If you look into it, you can see that it's money for professional development and English learner programs. I know firsthand, and you may also, how much teacher professional development is saturated in left-wing ideology - [for example.](https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/diversity-equity-inclusion/social-and-0#:~:text=Fairfax%20County%20Public%20Schools%20(FCPS,opportunity%20for%20everyone%20in%20FCPS.) Federal funding for anything related to this does indeed need to go - and state funding, also, for that matter.

noluckatall

Frankly, as bad as public schools have been, and as much as the DOE has helped make it worse, freezing the funding might make things better. Certainly cant make it worse

soulwind42

Nearly 7 dollars doesn't sound like a lot.

Tothyll

Schools could easily cut about 20% of the do-nothing administrative people, like the 2nd assistant co-vice principal.  Stop blowing so much money on athletic programs that most students don't participate in, and use it for general PE and regular classrooms.

uisce_beatha1

No, scrap the system go to online educate, vouchers , choice, and let’s end this failure of government run education.

ICEManCometh1776

Liberals, leftists, Marxist, and loyal Democrats have been largely running this country's educations system for at least the last 50-60 years, during which the entire system has fallen behind most of the developed world... And I'm supposed to believe that all of a sudden they now have the answer to all of it?


Step aside. It's a local matter.

prowler28

My lab was going to take on a few new undergrads for a new project, but since the grants froze our other main projects, my PI had to transfer those undergrads onto the new project instead of taking on more students. If you’re an undergrad in a lab make sure you reach out to your mentor ASAP to see how you may have been affected

Wide-Quote-5987

Speaking from perspective of grad student, how would undergrad already in a lab be affected? Are labs considering suspend projects and therefore reduce ppl in lab? Kinda worried.

ZeLaKoIV

Truly unfortunate but not like I was gonna get into a lab anyways

Ok_Juggernaut867

Would it be inconsiderate to cold email PIs about undergraduate research over the summer when so much is still up in the air regarding funding?

parsleaf

At least they stopped antisemitism! Thank you GOP!

eggdropthoop

Aren't TAships funded by state and tuition money? I'm pretty sure only GSR is grant funded.

_compiled

do you think we will actually get cut 1 billion?

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Its not happening. This was a popularist move by the popularist party without consulting any other government coalition parties.


Which all other government parties let know immediately and rebuked. saying "this isnt the government proposal, thst is just Finns party position and we shall now *negotiate* among government".


Purra was just aping Trump for cheap headlines and outrage bait.


More relevant would be to look "what else was in that budget proposal she doesnt want looked at too closely by taking up the headline and media space with the insane education agency proposal".

variaati0

We are definitely living in a time of change. Not in a good way though.

TrustyCromato11

&gt;Where did Finland go wrong ?

Fuckwits got elected into parliament. As simple as that.

fcon91

It is a troll budget and virtue signaling. 3/4 of the cuts are targeted towards the Swedish People's Party areas. Ministry of Education and Culture is under SPP leadership right now. It will not pass but they are just giving a finger to them. As always, it is just shit imported from MAGA.

And as for the inevitable people coming out and saying that it will just be merged to the ministry, do not fall for that. The education agency is a specialist organization, one of their 20+ tasks is to decide on the national curriculum. We do NOT want that to be under political guidance, imagine the curriculum being decided by some anti-woke, anti-science, anti-progress asshole in the future.

SpaceEngineering

To have some context to this (obvious to anyone who has been following Finnish politics for a decade or so), the Education Agency (*Opetushallitus* or OPH), is the policymaking body behind our school system, which creates the national curriculum etc.

The latest revision (drafted in 2014 and adopted on 1 August 2016) of the national curriculum has been a colossal failure, and OPH is solely to blame (well, the then-minister of education Sanni Grahn-Laasonen could have prevented its adoption). This curriculum abolished separate special needs/slow learner small group classes, attempted to get rid of formal classrooms in favour of large open spaces, allowed pupils to select themselves their learning targets, shifted a lot of the responsibility for learning from the teachers to the pupils beginning from and includin primary (!) school, got rid of physical books in favour of tablets and computers etc.

Finland's fall in education scores would have happened even without the new curriculum, but in a significantly smaller scale.

Effectively the Education Agency has been self-sabotaging our education system for over 10 years now, and it took this government to get them realise that the new curriculum may actually be one of the reasons why our schools are doing so poorly nowadays. Granted, they've slowly awoken to the failure, and done some course correction, such as supporting the mobile phone ban, but even this only after the current cabinet pushed for it.

Purra's move is populist and about rattling the cabinet (Swedish People's Party is the one which holds the position of the minister of education), but it hits the nail just in the head.

J0h1F

Please understand that the populist, anti-education bullshit pushed by the Basic Finns has nothing to do with Finland's NATO membership, the defence budget, or hosting US troops. Purra and her ilk would be pushing similar crap even if Finland was not in NATO or if there was no reason for increased defence acquisitions.

In fact, saying that these two issues are in any way related is uncomfortably close to the Russian propaganda narrative. I'd recommend steering clear of this "argument".

Long-Requirement8372

Pisa scores are diminishing already. Maybe this is necessary overhaul?

Sea-Celebration2429

Education Agency needs to be reworked or abolished, at the current state it has done more harm than good.

Cuts to the Universities is freezing their index, while it would hurt them and I support research, there are things that aren't really needed and they would probably survive just fine. The one research cost critique a few months ago was a good example.

Now, the defense budget. We are part of NATO now, so we need to get our budget to the requested 3.5+1.5 level. These cuts has nothing to do with that. We are also heavily investing to the new technology, drones for example, upgrading our field artillery into self-motorized artillery, gathering people for F-35 backend, establishing new FDF troops for NATO operations, upgrading our railroad network for military logistics, making sure that we can accommodate all the soldiers, there is a lot of things going on and increasing the defense budget is the only thing this government has done to make more jobs for citizens.

AhmedAlSayef

Considering the current state of education, the education agency has failed badly in its tasks and is due for a shake-up. They have been highly misguided in their focus points. You can't fail an entire generation of kids, and expect to keep your job.

Markus_H

Opetushallitus has caused the collapse of the top1-2 education system in Finland by doing things like self learning for children aged 7. Open classrooms where 200-300 students are in the same hall taking their lessons.

It's been going downhill since the late 90s. Our PISA scores are crashing. They're going against what the supermajority of teachers are saying. They aren't listening to pedagocial professionals with masters and phd degrees.

MeanForest

It's only speculation so far, the minister's own party is doing atrociously in the polls, so she tries to do something flashy to get the voters back.

I would wait until something concrete is decided before passing judgement, even if I have very little faith in the other parties in the government.

Tuotau

We allowed ideologues to experiment with our schools. That’s where we went wrong. 

We did away with separate classes for low achievers and put everone in the same room. We built schools with no proper classrooms. We stopped using actual books and replaced them with flaky digital equivalents. We let everyone pass on to the next grade, regardless if they have learnt anything. We lowered learning standards accross the board.

The Education Agency has a lousy track record from the past 25 years. Teachers won’t miss it.

Bilaakili

It's not that guns are more important than books. It's just that as long as there is an existential threat in the east, we don't really have other options but to increase defence spending. And this is what most parties, even in opposition, agree on. And I don't think we spend that much on hosting US troops.


But I agree with you otherwise. Education cuts are always stupid. It's only about short term profits at the expense of long term prosperity. And abolishing the Finnish National Agency for Education is only about gaining political control over education under the disguise of cost savings. If there are any cost savings, they are negligible.

Tempelli

snailPlissken

Throwing money at something doesn't mean quality and results will improve. Since the goal is to have more degrees and universities get paid per graduate lowered expectations and requirements are the obvious consequence. Personally I'd cut the amount of new students for higher education and invest in quality instead. Currently the system is pretty much adult daycare in many places.


The amount of money spent per student has only increased. I had good teachers in school and essentially we used pen, paper and a chalkboard. Students had to do their homework and pass the exam.


But apparently that's too simple and effective.

yksvaan

Abolishing the education agency is actually a good proposal. Has been a colossal failure, it's not staffed by experts, but by political nominees, so I don't see any harm in reducing organizational overhead and just abolishing it and merging operational activities to another agency.

rohnaddict

It was fucked way before this, not saying this is good at all, cutting education is a surefire way to make a generation of retards.


Can't do shit though, so not my problem.

Whatsa_guytodo

I would really hope that Finns would start recognising the US as a warning and not as an example. 
Destroying education is one of the worst things that a country can do to its people and to itself. It will inevitably lead to a downfall. 
Please analyse the dangers in Purra's suggestions. Please vote against this travesty.

LMA73

Pretty much people in important positions first thinking about "modernizing" the education system for the modernizing's sake (with bad results) and then other people in important positions cutting budgets because "this wikl make the best system in the world even more efficient" (with bad results) and finally third people foaming from their mouths: "our system has rotted to the core because of woke, let's get rid of it", and I can guarantee the results will be bad if it is done.

Laiska_saunatonttu

it didn't happen over night

in fact when the whole marketing touting began being heard everywhere, the whole system that was effective producing knowledgeable people was at that point gone already

it peaked in 2006 and if you weren't getting your degree before 2010 you kind of missed your chance of getting first-priority education

if you want or need quality education in Europe, go to some country that has winning math olympiad scores, like Hungary or Romania

eksopolitiikka

I know, I'm an American putting my nose in Finnish politics where it doesn't belong, but I'm also an immigrant that's working towards citizenship and making this place my home as my family (husband, in laws) is here, so take all of this with that in mind.

But I truly cannot understand why a country as well educated as Finland cannot see an incredibly easy way of introducing more money and jobs into the country is relaxing its laws on weed. Every single state in the US that legalized it for recreational use and set up a tax system for it experienced an increase in job growth, new businesses, tax income, and less strain on the prison system as people who sold what is ultimately an inconsequential plant were no longer flooding it. The last point in particular is worth noting as Finland's prisons aren't for profit from what I know, so there isn't even incentive to arrest people like there is in the USA.

I know reefer madness is something older Finns believe, but when the largest problem the country seems to be facing is joblessness and budget issues due to that I can't see a reason to not just legalize it with heavy taxation. It's obviously not going to fix everything, but it's a start. Right now from an outsiders pov it seems like the government is just sitting there saying "damn, this budget stuff is crazy, let's cut necessary things instead of trying to create more jobs"

Better-Ad-4797

Boo hoo usa bad defund the military da da

FishingCats-77

People got duped to vote wannabe Trump party, mostly because of racism and their social media presence for younger people and now they're trying to do same in Finland that they're doing in America. I hope you right wing assholes are happy, fucking neo nazis.


They're fine burning the country to the ground just because different color people suffer too. Fucking insanity.

Adept_Roof_4750

The right is convinced the education system is feminist and woke, so they want to dismantle it

nikanjX

Just note that the proposal was to dismantle the agency but move all of its responsibilities to the ministry of education

LazyAssMonkey

For some odd reason Riikka Purra just tries really really hard to make people not like her. Even the people who voted for her seems to be really against a lot of the things she does, like make massive cuts to workers rights and the poor. It is just a very odd political strategy to shoot yourself in the foot, hand, chest, face and back.

ahjteam

You’ve always looked up to us Swedes. Maybe this is one thing you shouldn’t copy? :)

ahammas

As she has said she really does not want to hurt purchasing power. However that didnt mean she wouldnt fuck the intellectual sector. As many of you know "The children are our ~~future~~ past."

SuperSeriouslessly

When parties do these kinds of populistic things, it is important to see what happens in backstage. 


Usually they move unpopular, borderline crooked changes, that do not help the greater good. Populistic thing takes all the attention, and by the time they end giving excuses for it, the thing they really wanted to pass, had passed. (Latvian goverment quite often did this switcheroo, to increase minister salaries (at that point 10 times the minimum salary), change constitution, "made it illegal to bad mouth government on social media", closing down village schools, recrediting same damn bridge for 4 times (in the end it costs the nation 500 million euro, for subpar product))

LaurentiusLV

While I despise Finns as a party, pretty much all the parties share in the blame when it comes to the education system being crap now. If you look at Estonia, they quite sometime ago adopted many of the things that made the Finnish system great and they are currently topping the charts. Finnish politicians collectively just decided to throw a working system into the dumpster.

Whether it was for the sake of savings or "inclusivity", I am not sure. But for me personally, having visited my old elementary schools they are total chaos compared to the times when I was studying in them. Back then problematic students would got to go to their own special class, so they'd not hinder the studies of other students and they'd receive extra attention from teachers and assistants there.

Now teachers have less chances to intervene or do much to students that misbehave and at the same time, they are made to take care of classes that have really problematic individuals that they are not equipped to handle.

Edit: Doesn't help that Finns still market themselves abroad as having one of the best systems in the world, when in fact our southern neighbour is using the system we created and totally crushing us with it in terms of outcomes, because we got rid of it. The times when the system in Finland was top tier is far behind us.

JonSamD

Finland is going downhill fast as a state, it has been like this for long. It feels as if the decline is intentional.

Unusual_Public_9122

maximus623

It is an upgrade given that they have failed their duties by a large margin. Our PISA results have plummeted. Also there is no need for duplicate agencies doing same things.

stonksbeforehonks

That's what you get for voting a populist clown and her party. If people had only read their election platform (vaaliohjelma). No wait, they didn't have one and they were riding on talking points about owning them libs. So people voted for no plan just to make liberals mad and here's the results. It's seems almost as if you need a plan to run a country successfully.

RedOctober20

Hasn't it been evident for years already that weapons are the single most important thing for the leaders of europe? Let's spend a trillion on military, fuck everything else. Humanitarian superpower, my ass.

abrahamlincoln20

https://preview.redd.it/a51zxt2ndthf1.jpeg?width=724&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=a92be151bbf6eb48a983a1b56ac2aec9e07fd01b

These are the ones who ruined Finnish education system. It's good that the harmful organization in question is being dismantled and reorganized. Overlaps and unnecessary expenses must be eliminated. This will make the system better.

hauki888

Education Agency is unqualifed, weak and they are not interested of childrens future. 


They couldn't even take phones away from the kids in classroom, so they just watched videos in the classroom and learn nothing. Overall they have somekind of *"You can't force people to do something"* attitude what leads to undisclipine and other problems. They are kids! They don't know what is good for them!


Only this current government had the balls to do something about the phones. Education Agency desperately needs new people who are interested kids future, and can do "difficult" desicions.


Money can't fix problems when the core is rotten. They just reproduce the same problems, and ask more money. That's the true leftist way for problem solving, lol.

JUSSI81

They're not abolishing it at the moment. Its only a budget proposal and the National Coalition Party is not supporting Purra on this

fonk_pulk

Education is nothing to do with Purra's personal life. All she wants is to keep pension &amp; tax untouched for her life. How could Orpo have worked with her?

expendable6666

how about increase education, increase healthcare so that Finland maybe actually manages to have free healthcare and that makes people qualified and healthy to work, thus becoming productive, generating more revenue and returning your investment? No?

Her voters have never been in university or even high school.

Altruistic_Rush1204

Those who cheer for this party are usually low education high regard towards military instruction , she is just giving them what they want to hear

cykablyat_123

how about she addresses the fact that Finland already has american healthcare system? Here's a 5 minute päivystys visit with basic procedure bandaid on Kela insurance compared to the same kind of insured visit in the US. Is Puura willing to comment on the fact Finland is becoming the 2nd developed nation without free healthcare?

https://preview.redd.it/jv8r5h4m3yhf1.png?width=805&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=051dd40b884518a3f301df2176713f79ab60b393

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Ok-Purple-7667

The plans are terrible however it doesnt mean it will happen, closing the education agency and putting it back in the hands of the government means they can gut it from within and only people really looking will see the cuts and they may be able to do that without support from other parties, Im not sure how oversight of that system works. Postering with the US is not a terrible idea as in reality we have quite a large unprotected border to the bear and could use any help with detering that bear from entering. In addition Finland has some of the best defense training in the world and if we can inpart that to allies who may have to help defend us why not, although the US should be footing the bill to support its branches during non agression. The other "savings" which are apparently for next year could be part of a salt the earth scenario for the next party in power to have to deal with, which is a typical North American political tactic. The current leadership is probably pretty aware they will lose in the next elections and the next party will spend at least 2 years trying to undo and remedy whats been done while still trying to tackle the issues at hand. The best case scenario is Putin goes uncrazy just as the new party (whomever that may be)gets elected and we could open the border for trade and flood Russia with anything and everything possible, and I mean really open the taps and be first in. We dont have to like them but it could turn us around in record time and if its planned correctly could really set Finland for the future.

lukkoseppa

What exactly do we need for this 200million euro/year agency? 

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish\_National\_Agency\_for\_Education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_National_Agency_for_Education)

It is already under ministry of education and culture (8000 million euro/year ministry).. 

Considering that in the last 25 years the Finnish education system has been mostly destroyed, I would consider it is a really good idea to make changes. Nowadays around 21% of kids are functionally illiterate after 9 years of school according to latest PISA results. Vocation school has been destroyed. 

That is 200 out of 8000. What is the rest 7800 million euros getting us? 

If we eliminate enough change-makers, can we return to working school system of 1990s (and earlier)?

KofFinland

It's not just a downgrade.  
Such parties who called themselves "conservatives" who want to "put Finland first", are literally destroying every single piece that made Finland as it is: education system, welfare system, healthcare system, etc  
I wish people would stop calling them conservatives and name them "radical reactionaries" because that's what they are.

99Pedro

Oami79

These absolute mongoloids will keep cutting till they have to start cutting from the tablecloth and shoelaces and will continue to do cuts. Can't wait when the people who voted these clowns there start to see how their great "köyhät kyykkyyn" idealism turns in to "and now we cut from you because you are next in line.

Ok-Vegetable-1085

It has not been "one of the best" education system.  
They were/are just imitating Germany and Sweden education system.  
But the imitation is really bad grade, it is kind of Fake's fake.

Financial-Rabbit23

i have a headache.
Riikka: well, cut your head! easy.

prod-v03zz

Honestly should abolish all quota systems. Everyone knows quotas are bad for obvious reasons no matter what the system in question is.

Skebaba

Have t we learned anything from America? She looks like a Finnish Karen who got on a power trip.

dariamyers

Ministry of education has been seem mostly as nuisance in education sector. 

But Purras motives for dismantling it are all wrong, and will bring on even worse disaster. 

I am so waiting for next elections. SDP becoming to their senses looks like a very tempting government partner.

Real-Technician831

I am afraid of punishment if I speak the truth. Like the issue with glorifying mental issues and people's delusional ways of thinking, "I feel like this, and it is being good. So I argue hard science with mutu." ... Normal things have become like fighting over opinions. Have them! Just know a place for such. If the fact is "A", it is A even if it means everyone would cry a river. When telling these things to people who have this illusion that their feelings would matter in science, it leads to meaningless denial and anger bursts. While moderators are deleting truth as fast as they can. (not here). Only after presenting with academic credentials, they get into their place. No more removing occurred. It hurts that I have to put my "career" on the line before moderators understand. Removing truth is spreading misinformation, and that is not allowed. I won't bring that matter up, relax. 

So, is this "agency" the same "opetusministeriö", which decided to lie to little children at school, and force teachers to do that? If so, this is not so big a loss. I promise to do better. The 1st and 2nd class kids got this sick line in the education plan. "Boys sometimes have pimppi."... In an education program! It was truly the first actually insane lie accepted by elected people. Is there no law, like "If something is a sick, perverted lie - It is not to be added in education"? It would be nice to see statistical data. Zero cases - no need for check.   
  
And that "reason-for-asylum" aside, there is another one! This time, photosynthesis was thrown under a bus. I mean, it is only the reason we can breathe? The hysteria around our top-3 most important molecules led the ignorant to see CO2 as an enemy. It was removed from some biology books as part of photosynthesis, and it is said to be a bad, bad thing. Sure, but everyone would die (fast) without CO2. First, plants would die, and O2 (your oxygen) would not be formed anymore. Suffocation in weeks. PLEASE, stop lying to our children. There has always been CO2, and will be (hopefully). It is as important as water. 

So, last words. If the agency has been this incompetent and spread things like those... Put it down. Kids use AI anyway, and education programs are worthless. No, not good. True, yes.

Please do not punish me for lack of virtue signaling. Save what you can, as this ship called Finland can't handle that kok-ps lethal injection duo.

Minccii

jumppa69

Intelligent-Bus230

PS voters do not generally have a university degree. Therefore cuts to education are easy for Purra and match the party's goals. Kokoomus supports basically everything that decreases public sector's pending.

projectgene

Yeah, I'm starting to be too tired to even discuss about these policies with my friends. Finnish politicians like purra are just inbred fucked in the head stupid.

ImLonenyNunlovable

I think we can officially call the current government the worse we've ever had.

Qvistus

You dont need education system, if you dont have a country lol

Impressive-Kick5

This is what you get for voting on the russian sponsored perus.

Nixarzius

As a 50+ American who left the USA for Suomi a year ago, don't let these assholes sell you their snake oil. I have been watching and experiencing the degradation of my country for over thirty years. Nothing that is happening in 🇺🇸 is surprising to anyone who has been paying attention. This era of the Republican party is destroying my country. Things are going to get much worse in 🇺🇸.The ideologues in PS are a cancer and will kill your society. Squash then while you can.

AcanthaceaeOptimal87

Demolishing finnish public education has been Kokoomus party's wet dream for long time.

They can't stand poor people being in schools, especially in higher education. They want that only rich upper class has change for higher education

Oxu90

I'm not Finnish, just working here in Finland but I really hate what that second slide implies. 

Finland is great at what they do on military training and understanding -withdrawing from Ottawa alone is the most recent proof of it. I'm happy that Finland joined NATO, but the US's heavy presence is making me nervous for reasons that I don't want to name for now. Also, the US mil is incredibly notorious for their lack of respect for the locals, in every sense, let alone the fact that they employed some personnel that formed one of the worst mercenary groups later on. 

Meanwhile, Finnish army has years of experience regardless of them being in NATO or not, and NOT being jerks to ANYONE -so Finland has the capacity and training to tackle the enemy at the gates, COOPERATING with other NATO members, without "getting used to the US mil presence in the country".

nordicskye

If only they focused on education, not teaching teenage boys how to suck cocks

Kussuavaans

&gt; Where did Finland go wrong ?
Joining Nato?

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Kendaren89

Here's my cynical reasoning.

1. Slowly cut education funding, maybe even make private education a thing: Rich people's kids go to 'better' schools, getting 'better' education and have less competition in general, preserving the status quo.
2. Abolish free education (slowly) or make it harder for average or poor people to get proper higher education. We don't want immigrants but we do need them doing the immigrants job. But if there are a class of people who can't afford to have equal qualification on an equal playing field, that class is gonna have to pickup all the immigrant jobs. \[Then no need for immigrants\]
3. Probably my friends can profit off of private education sector.

Just to be sure that there are no misunderstanding, this are not my views. I am just thinking what could be the reason (cynically). Unfortunately, this seems to right out of the handbook of most right wing (or populist) political doctrines.

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aeschynanthus_sp

The people who vote for such parties should be ashamed of themselves.

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